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January 29, 2009

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dacian

T., I commented on your blog we might not experience the same harsh times as in the '30s, but to me you seem very optimistic about the FED and bureaucrats getting us out of the mess. These credit bubbles (I mean with such a magnitude) are quite rare; the FED was quite late seeing it (either they ignored the size of the problem or for political reasons they refused to address it) but now is trying all sorts of "unorthodox" methods to handle it. As these things have not been tried elsewhere (a bit in Japan with modes results), we don't know what the effect will be; how if things get out of control? I mean the FED saying these are "unorthodox methods" means to a certain degree that they don't know what they're doing and where we go actually. And seeing the way they addressed the bubble before exploding, we might say they are not that competent (actually I'm not sure if there is such an individual who might give a miracle solution). What if we conclude that the last thing left is nationalize banks? What kind of market is that where prices are instituted by law? The prices for stocks, businesses and whatever their products are won't be fixed in a "free environment" but controlled by government as they will control not only money but banks as well; the prices won't send signals anymore?! So maybe the analogy with the Great Depression is incorrect, but we can reasonably state that we don't know what's going to happen next.

unfettered

Toro: If you'll entertain some amateur psychoanalysis, I can't help but notice that the posts have tilted from an emphasis on clouds to an emphasis on silver linings since you announced you were mostly long the market. We're all human and subject to confirmation bias, but ideally one's perception of the investing landscape should drive one's long/short allocation, not vice versa. Just something to consider, no offense intended.

Toro

Unfettered

No doubt about it. I'm a student of behavioral economics. We all talk our book.

The question is whether I have positioned myself because of what I think or I think because of how I positioned myself. It's probably both.

My greatest sin is that I am early. We value guys usually are. However, I contend that since I've started this blog, I've mainly been correct, whether that is on the housing market, coal, potash, the euro, REITs, etc. Of course, I've been wrong on some things, and will get some things wrong in the future. Perhaps I am wrong now. However, the negativity is overwhelming, valuations are attractive, cash levels are high, and there is reason to believe the market is in a bottoming process. We'll see.

T.

IL

The problem with comparing our current predicament with the Great Depression is that such a comparison can, paradoxically, breed complacency as in: "We're not doing as bad as we were in 193?, therefore we're going to be OK". It's like the drunk saying: "I'm not a heroin addict therefore I'm OK".
Unfettered, you are one perspicacious fellow. No offense Toro, I'm a big fan.

Toro

None taken, of course, IL.

Plus, now I know what "perspicacious" means! lol

T.

unfettered

>> Toro writes: "...since I've started this blog, I've mainly been correct..."

No argument here -- I've found the bear case made by you and others over the last year to be more convincing than the bull case. I continue to find the bear case more convincing, but then as you'll probably be early, I'll probably be late.

Running Amok In Fantasyland

I agree. This Depression will not be Great. But it will be memorable.

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